tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com - 11/17/2008
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Let me begin by thanking TPMCafe for inviting me to discuss Angler and by thanking Bart Gellman for reaching out to me following the publication of his book.
As Bart notes , the other participants in this discussion have reviewed Angler ; I have not. So my main purpose this week is to ...
chron.com - 11/18/2008
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chron.com —
McALLEN, Texas A South Texas grand jury has
indicted Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General
Alberto Gonzales on charges related to the alleged abuse of prisoners in Willacy County's federal detention centers. The indictment ...
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Vice president, former AG, state senator indicted | AP ...
washingtonmonthly.com - 11/19/2008
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washingtonmonthly.com —
ABOUT THAT CHENEY INDICTMENT.... At first blush, the
headline looked pretty extraordinary: "Texas Grand Jury Indicts Cheney,
Gonzales on Charges Related to Prisons." Wait, Dick Cheney's been indicted? It sounded too good to be true, in large part ...
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About that Cheney indictment...
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com - 11/19/2008
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politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com —
Vice President Dick Cheney (CNN) — A grand
jury in south Texas indicted Vice President Dick Cheney
and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on separate charges related to alleged prisoner abuse in federal detention centers, Willacy County ...
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Texas grand Jury indicts Cheney, Gonzales
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Across the great divide
Power Line —
... participants are Jacob Heilbrunn, Steve Clemons, Spencer Ackerman, and David Greenberg -- in short an eclectic group of Cheney-bashers. I'm reminded of the Charles Bronson line in "The Magnificant Seven" --"I admire your notion of fair odds mister."
Actually, with apologies to Bronson, it's not my intention to debate the Cheney vice presidency; rather I plan to focus on Bart's book. Of course, the two are intertwined.
Here is Bart's initial post.
Here is mine.
Across the great divide, Part Three
Power Line —
... bureaucrats and presidential appointees and staffers sometimes act in bad faith or with excessive caution. But it seems clear that some of what Cheney did was informed by this view (I know this is true of certain Cheney's allies in the administration). Thus, in my opinion, any account of his vice presidency should address this view far more comprehensively than Bart does.
Bart responded to this criticism here. And this is what he said about my prior critique. Jacob Heilbrunn offers some thoughtful comments about the argument ...
Across the Great Divide: A salute
Power Line —
... also invokes the metahpor in his song "Across the Great Divide," in which the singer pleads with dear Molly: "Try and understand your man the best you can." Consistent with the song, Paul tries to understand Gellman the best he can. Though Paul finds Gellman's book (which I haven't read) unfairly weighted against Cheney, Paul is generous in his treatment of it and offers his own criticisms of Cheney, which I don't think I share.
In order, Paul's comments can be found here (November 17), here (November 19), here (November (20), here (one of two ...
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tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com 11/22/2008 —
Let me respond to the first of Bart's posts from yesterday.
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tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com 11/19/2008 —
I replied to Paul's first post before reading the most recent . So a few more words on the "Potemkin Washington" that Paul sees in my book.
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tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com 11/22/2008 —
Let me begin my final post by thanking TPMCafe and Bart for inviting me into this discussion, and the other members of the discussion group for their thoughtful and respectful posts.
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Searching For Context
tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com 11/22/2008 —
Yesterday, I tried to defend my view that Angler presents not a "mixed" view of the Cheney vice presidency but a rather thoroughly negative one. Now I want to defend my view that Angler is slanted to some extent against Cheney.
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Texas grand jury indicts Cheney, Gonzales —
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Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales have been indicted on separate charges related to alleged prisoner abuse in federal detention centers, Willacy County, Texas, District Attorney Juan Angel Guerra told CNN ...
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