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peru This is like a cancer, this fight over religious sentiments and emotions, this will never end until this world completely destroys itself off. So what if Israel is pounding Gaza right now to stop Gaza rocket attacks on Israel's civilians. I am sure both USA and Israel knows that every child that is dying right now in Gaza is giving birth to a new "Terrorist" somewhere in the Muslim World! What is an end to this ? Is there an end at all ?
Eyeless in Gaza
Lawyers, Guns and Money —
... Anyway my contribution to the debate about Israel-Palestine is that I don't know anything about it, really. But at a more general level, the present conflict illustrates some depressing things about the orthodoxy of the American political elites, the assumptions of bad faith on the part of one's opponents by everyone who argues about this, and the increasingly meaningless status of the word ...
Open Thread on Israel Strike on Hamas, Part II
Shakesville —
... thing again. (If you didn't read the first thread, it's worth a look.) The Guardian: Israeli warplanes destroy Gaza houses and mosque as air strikes continue WaPo: Senior Hamas Leader Killed: Israelis Stand Ready to Invade Gaza by Land New York Times: Striking Deep Into Israel, Hamas Employs an Upgraded Arsenal LA Times: Israel can't bomb its way to peace Ezra: An Occupied Nation and a Threatened One Glenn: More oddities in the U.S. "debate" over Israel/Gaza For those interested in my position, ...
Israel Claims Success In War Spin
Newshoggers.com —
... And if that doesn't make you question Israel's good faith in negotiations with the Palestinians, nothing will. According to polls, American opinion is split down the middle even as Congress keeps its lockstep opinion of "Israel, right or wrong". ...
Israel Claims Success In War Spin
At-Largely —
... the press bureaus in the various government departments. The Directorate, which has been up and running for eight months, began planning six months ago for a Gaza operation. A forum with representatives of the press offices of the Foreign and Defence ministries, the IDF Spokesman Unit and other agencies held numerous meetings to decide on the message. And if that doesn't make you question Israel's good faith in negotiations with the Palestinians, nothing will. According to polls, American opinion is split down the middle even as Congress keeps its lockstep opinion of "Israel, ...
From Pelosi to Oshry: Zero Degrees of Separation
Whiskey Fire —
... It's even worse than that. On Israel, there's no particular difference in substance between the statements of Nancy Pelosi and, say, Pamela Oshry. As Glennzilla goes on to glumly observe, wingnuts -- the very people who have been so colossally and disastrously wrong about Iraq -- are completely in charge of the way Israel/Palestine is discussed in America. They have a monopoly on the definition of "legitimate" opinions about the conflict, the ones you can express officially. Hence they are able to get away with the most preposterous and insulting declarations -- that disagreeing ...
GLENN GREENWALD IS PATHOLOGICAL LIAR
Right Wing Nut House —
I used to make great sport of Salon’s Glenn Greenwald and his idiotic rantings against Bush, conservatives, Republicans, and individual bloggers he would attack irrationally. There is no one on the internet who exaggerates more, takes what someone writes or says completely and dishonestly out of context more often, or sets up larger strawmen – knocking them down with the kind of feverish frenzy one might see in a 14 year old drama queen. His over the top, hysterical warnings about the imminent demise of American democracy, his one dimensional take on everything from the war to same sex marriage, and his insufferable, loutish, smugly self righteous attitude ...
A Few Thoughts on Gaza
democracyarsenal.org —
... of Americans think that the US should not take sides in the conflict and that a majority of Democrats oppose the Israeli offensive. This speaks to one of my greatest pet peeves about how public opinion data is interpreted. What matters, from a political perspective, is not what 71% of Americans think; what matters is what those Americans who care passionately about the issue think! ...
Greenwald's Point
The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan —
Leave aside the usual huffing and puffing. Can you answer this question for me: Is there any other significant issue in American political life,
besides Israel, where (a) citizens split almost evenly in their views,
yet (b) the leaders of both parties adopt identical lockstep positions
which leave half of the citizenry with no real voice? More notably
still, is there any other position, besides Israel, where (a) a party's
voters overwhelmingly embrace one position (Israel should not have
attacked Gaza) but (b) that party's leadership unanimously embraces the
exact opposite position (Israel was absolutely right to attack Gaza ...
Without Support, What Happens to Israel?
Stop The ACLU —
[image] Photo Credit: AP by Mohammed Zaatari - Daylife 10 hours ago: Palestinian boys hold the Quran, Islam’s holy book, as they wear fake explosives belts during a rally called by Hamas and the Islamic Jihad groups to protest against the Israeli offensive on the Gaza strip, in the Ein el-Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp near the southern port city of Sidon, Lebanon, Friday, Jan. 2, 2009. Israel showed no sign of slowing a blistering seven-day offensive against Gaza’s Hamas rulers, destroying homes of more than a dozen of the group’s operatives Friday and bombing one of its mosques a day after a deadly strike killed a prominent Hamas ...
Gaza Attacks Roil Iraq — Where’s The “Debate”?
Firedoglake —
... As Glenn Greenwald has noted, the Democratic Leadership is in complete lockstep with Bush -- unilaterally supporting Israel's actions, and placing the fullblame on Hamas. ...
Going there
The Poor Man Institute —
... Oh, what the hell. I’ll go there.
Glenn Greenwald, after reeling in the traditional red herrings, gets to the point:
Ultimately, what is most notable about the “debate” in the U.S. over Israel-Gaza is that virtually all of it occurs from the perspective of Israeli interests but almost none of it is conducted from the perspective of American interests. There is endless debate over whether Israel’s security is enhanced or undermined by the attack on Gaza and whether the 40-year-old Israeli occupation, expanding West Bank ...
A both-and blog
pandagon.net - we are the public option —
by Auguste
“The Palestine issue” is in most Americans’ hands the epitome of either-or thinking. As Thersites notes, in the case of our politicians, it’s not even “either-or” thinking - it’s “is” thinking.
On Israel, there’s no particular difference in substance between the statements of Nancy Pelosi and, say, Pamela Oshry. As Glennzilla goes on to glumly observe, wingnuts—the very people who have been so colossally and disastrously wrong about Iraq—are completely in charge of the way Israel/Palestine is discussed in America. They have a ...
The Unserious Left
Weekly Standard Blog —
... in which he chose to house his family), will also deter Hamas from so brazenly ending the next cease fire. The fact that Greenwald & Co. would react so bizarrely to the mere posing of that question is precisely why their voices are being ignored in this debate. Just the other day Greenwald wrote of how he was perplexed by a poll showing that a majority of Democrats shared his views on Israel's assault, but still the Democratic party was almost uniform in its support for the action. Well, its possible for large numbers of people to hold views that simply aren't ...
The Gaza War Continues
Comments from Left Field —
... cease-fire in the Gaza Strip and southern Israel and expressing concern at the escalation of violence between Israel and Hamas.
U.S. deputy ambassador Alejandro Wolff said the United States saw no prospect of Hamas abiding by last week’s council call for an immediate end to the violence. Therefore, he said, a new statement at this time “would not be adhered to and would have no underpinning for success, would not do credit to the council.”
Greenwald: More oddities in the U.S. “debate” over Israel/Gaza ...
From Pelosi to Oshry: Zero Degrees of Separation
Whiskey Fire —
Let's get depressed! Glennzilla: The degree of mandated orthodoxy on the Israel question among America's
political elites is so great that if one took the statements on Gaza
from George Bush, Pelosi, Hoyer, Berman, Ros-Lehtinen, and randomly
chosen Bill Kristol-acolytes and redacted their names, it would be
impossible to know which statements ...
THE PSEUDO-REALISM OF PEACENIKS STEPHEN WALT AND JOHN MEARSHEIMER
THE ASTUTE BLOGGERS —
... like now's a good time to consume the full argument in preparation for even more intense debates in the months and years ahead. Just a look at Walt's page this morning gives one a heads-up on what to expect. In an essay entitled "It's Time to Redefine 'Pro-Israel'," Walt glowingly cites the well-known Bush administration nemisis and eminent sockpuppet Glenn Greenwald: Over at Salon.com, Glenn Greenwald has posted some typically sharp and forceful comments on the gap between American public opinion ...
The Same Old Change
Antiwar.com Original —
... ," in addition to lots of dissent from the conventional pro-Israel wisdom in the liberal-left blogosphere e.g., Glenn Greenwald , who has a ...
