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tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com - 11/19/2008
Potemkin Washington
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My opinion of Angler has become more favorable during the course of this discussion as I see some of the paths Bart didn't take. Before I fall into the tank completely, I should post some of my promised criticism of the book. One of my main complaints has to do with the portrayal of ...
washingtonmonthly.com - 11/19/2008
About that Cheney indictment...
— washingtonmonthly.com — ABOUT THAT CHENEY INDICTMENT.... At first blush, the headline looked pretty extraordinary: "Texas Grand Jury Indicts Cheney,... Gonzales on Charges Related to Prisons." Wait, Dick Cheney's been indicted? It sounded too good to be true, in large part ... (more) About that Cheney indictment...

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Texas grand Jury indicts Cheney, Gonzales
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com - 11/19/2008
Texas grand Jury indicts Cheney, Gonzales
— politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com — Vice President Dick Cheney (CNN) — A grand jury in south Texas indicted Vice President Dick Cheney... and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on separate charges related to alleged prisoner abuse in federal detention centers, Willacy County ... (more) Texas grand Jury indicts Cheney, Gonzales

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amazon.com - 11/17/2008
Angler: The Cheney Vice Presidency: Barton Gellman: Books
— amazon.com — Review "a forceful new study ... connecting the dots to give the reader a visceral understanding of... just how Mr. Cheney maneuvered...." Michiko Kakutani in the NYT "engrossing and informative ... the most penetrating portrait of him yet" Jacob ... (more) Angler: The Cheney Vice Presidency: Barton Gellman: Books

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Power Line:  Across the great divide, Part Three

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Across the great divide, Part Three
Power Line — ... At TPMCafe, I have explained what is probably my main criticism of Angler, Barton Gellman's book about the Cheney vice presidency. There's plenty to like about the book, but here I focus on what I see as a flaw: ...

Potemkin Washington
The Hollywood Liberal — Potemkin Washington My opinion of Angler has become more favorable during the course of this discussion as I see some of the paths Bart didn’t take. Before I fall into the tank completely, I should post some of my promised criticism… This entry was posted on Thursday, November 20th, 2008 at 5:35 am and is filed under Main Blog (All Posts) . You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response , or trackback from your own site.

Across the great divide, a recap
Power Line — ... at the close of the discussion, Bart responded by saying that the criticisms by him of Cheney that I cited are fact based. He then mentioned additional criticisms from the book by way of launching a fairly blistering attack on Cheney. I'll take this as a concession that, yes, Bart has quite a negative view of the Cheney vice presidency and, no, his assessment in not "mixed." That leaves the question of whether Bart's account is fair or slanted. Amplifying on a previous post, I contended here that Bart stacks the deck against Cheney to some extent by ...

Across the Great Divide: A salute
Power Line — ... in his song "Across the Great Divide," in which the singer pleads with dear Molly: "Try and understand your man the best you can." Consistent with the song, Paul tries to understand Gellman the best he can. Though Paul finds Gellman's book (which I haven't read) unfairly weighted against Cheney, Paul is generous in his treatment of it and offers his own criticisms of Cheney, which I don't think I share. In order, Paul's comments can be found here (November 17), here (November 19), here (November (20), here (one of two on November 21), and ...

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